Doc talk:Cut-out Animation

2014-05-31T03:35:02Z

Ubiquity: Warning for download

Why are you making multiple copies of the rotation layers? This technique will work exactly the same if you nest the 'children' limbs inside the parent's encapsulation. Then you need only a single rotation layer for each joint which should make things render faster, and make the document simpler to examine. -- [[User:Dooglus|dooglus]] 03:03, 18 December 2007 (EST)
'''(Warning: Downloading the following file may cause Synfig to open a second instance and ultimately crash - if you are working on a file such as the original Cut-out Animation you would be well advised to save your work before doing this download)'''--[[User:Ubiquity|Ubiquity]] ([[User talk:Ubiquity|talk]]) 03:35, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
http://dooglus.rincevent.net/synfig/cutoutsample2.sifz shows an example of what I'm talking about. It renders in 41s, compared to 68s for the original, around 33% faster. -- [[User:Dooglus|dooglus]] 04:00, 18 December 2007 (EST)

: That's valid only if the nested image layers are also composed in the same Z order. But if the image layers are composed in different Z order but the ortiation hieracrchy is different, then the set-up I've done is the only one that allow a general character set-up. If you look to the initial set-up:

[[Image:Layers-Images.png]]

: you can see that the body layer must be placed behind the hip, the left, the right leg, and the rigth arm layers to compose properly the character. How can I perform a body rotation (what means a head, left arm and rigt arm rotation too) without rotate the hip or the legs in a nested hierarchy? (NOTE: I've replied your comments without watching your sample. Maybe I'm wrong.)--[[User:Genete|Genete]] 10:36, 18 December 2007 (EST)
:: Ah yes, I see what you mean. The hip rotation layer (or root rotation layer) can be placed on top of all the composition due that it affects to all the image layers at the same time so it is no needed a copy on each child. But you cannot do it with all the intermediate parent layers. It is due that some child layers have not the same Z order than the rotation hieracrchy. Then a copy of the parent rotation layer must be duplicated necessarily over all the children image layers. On the other hand a nested set-up doesn't allow modify the Z order of the child/parent layers during the animation meanwhile the standard method I have explained, yes.--[[User:Genete|Genete]] 04:49, 19 December 2007 (EST)

:When i click all the layers by pressing the CTRL and click the layers in the navigation windows I get two grey dots, which change to green when hold the mouse over it, but I can't find the link in the right click menu. I only have Convert and Export. I can easy link to circles I have draw, I use windows vista. [[User:Thomaxz|Thomaxz]]
::You should also select both ducks using CTRL and click. Then a new right click over one of them would show the "Link" menu. --[[User:Genete|Genete]] 15:28, 8 January 2008 (EST)
:::Ooh, okay , now i get the link menu, but i have another weird problem, when I link, but on an Vista and or an XP, at least one part disappear, often the right-arm or the head. --[[User:Thomaxz|Thomaxz]] 14:19, 9 January 2008 (EST)
::::This may be caused because you are linking together some control points (here we call them "ducks") of the image layer. Each layer is controlled by two points (left top and bottom right if I remember. If you link them you project the image over a square of a size of 0x0 pixels so it is not visible. But I think you're confusing the tutorial. You should make right click over the parameter in the parameter list not over the control point in the canvas window, after make a multiple layer select. It would link properly each layer parameter for each layer and not the parameters within the same layer.--[[User:Genete|Genete]] 16:20, 9 January 2008 (EST)
:::::Ohh, yes it worked, thank you. --[[User:Thomaxz|Thomaxz]] 02:29, 10 January 2008 (EST)

== the children layers in my ninja animation do not rotate correctly when i rotate their parents... ==

such as the head and right arm layers, for example! when i try rotating the ninja's body, the head and right arm disconnect from the body as they rotate...i tried doing the rotate layers over again, after ur posting in my 'cut-out animation' forum topic, so this time i am absolutely (i was already pretty sure the first time, but was willing to do it again, because i wasn't positive!) sure that the origins of all the rotate layers (before exporting their amounts) r in their correct places. i have the same problem with my 'kusari' (child) and 'rightarm' (parent) layers,for when i try to rotate the right arm layer in the right arm encapsulation layer, the kusari layer moves, but not the way i want it to! the kusari detaches from where its supposed to be attached to the kama (sickle that the ninja is holding), and moves roughly in a parallel fashion to the right arm when i rotate it to the ninja's right!

Thanks to all honest replies,

[[User:Coolname007|Coolname007]] 15:29, 19 November 2008 (EST)[[UserCoolname007\|Coolname007]] 01:33, 19 November 9008 (MST)

:Please provide the needed files to reproduce the effect you mention. [[User:Genete|Genete]] 01:06, 19 November 2008 (EST)

:: oh right! sorry! i guess i kind of assumed that u would use the files that i posted in my 'Resetting image paths' forum topic...my bad! here it is http://www.mediafire.com/?9wdkx4vqogg [[User:Coolname007|Coolname007]] 15:38, 19 November 2008 (EST)Coolname007

:: here's my most recent upload of the files...u should use this one, because i'm not entirely sure if the other one has some recent changes that i made http://www.mediafire.com/?mfybjczgw2u [[User:Coolname007|Coolname007]] 15:54, 19 November 2008 (EST)Coolname007

::: Please see and continue discussion in [http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1761#p1761 this link]. [[User:Genete|Genete]] 01:08, 20 November 2008 (EST)

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: is this what u mean? ^^ [[User:Coolname007|Coolname007]] 15:32, 19 November 2008 (EST)Coolname007 01:37, 19 November 2008 (MST)

Doc talk:Adding Layers

2014-05-31T02:18:48Z

Ubiquity: /* thoughts */

== thoughts ==

* setting colors for a "Gradient Layer" needs to be explained or at least a hint to use the link to the Gradient Tool would be helpful. --[[User:Ohoservices|Ohoservices]] 22:30, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
<strike>* add Navigation at the end as well... --[[User:Ohoservices|Ohoservices]] 22:30, 16 May 2010 (UTC)</strike>
Ohoservices' thoughts are correct: but the link to the Gradient Tool, although both useful and necessary, is not sufficient. The rectangle that has just been created has an outline colour of black and a fill colour of green the current state which is therefore the most likely state of the "outline/fill color selector" (see: Getting Started > Color selection). Precisely following the instructions to create the gradient will result in a gradient between green and black. Given that the remainder of the section is based on a green to white gradient there is (as Ohoservices says) a need to explain this. Perhaps something like the following edit would assist in this.

<strike>Pick...</strike>
The Gradient Tool produces the gradient shown at the bottom of the Toolbox (by default a gradient from fill colour to outline colour). For the purposes of this section you may need to change the outline colour to white and the fill colour to the rectangle green colour.
Now, to create the gradient, press the left mouse button on the top left of the canvas, drag to the bottom right and release the button when you are done. You should note that another layer was added in the Layers Panel called Gradient. <strike>This is nothing special.</strike>

--[[User:Ubiquity|Ubiquity]] ([[User talk:Ubiquity|talk]]) 02:18, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

== clarifications ==
Done according May 2014 review--[[User:D.j.a.y|D.j.a.y]] ([[User talk:D.j.a.y|talk]]) 10:32, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
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* The doc says: "The key point is that a layer can only modify the data that it gets from directly below it." This may convey to the reader that a layer modifies only a single layer below it. The word 'directly' may be the culprit here. To clarify what the author says, we could add the following sentence: "A layer modifies the data that it gets from all the layers below it. However, if the layers are encapsulated, the word 'all' here applies to all the layers within the encapsulation only." --[[User:Ghd|Ghd]] 05:01, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
** Would it make more sense to say: "The key point is that a layer can only modify the layers and groups below it, and only inside it's own group." Saying that a layer can "modify the data that it gets" adds to the complexity of the statement. Although maybe technically the modification layer is recieving the data from the layers below, as far as the end user is concerned, the modification layer is affecting the layers below. [[User:GuruPilgrim|GuruPilgrim]] ([[User talk:GuruPilgrim|talk]]) 16:33, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
** I have rewrited a little your proposition to reduce repetition ''"The key point is that a layer, inside it's own group, modify the data contained by all the layers and groups below it."'' what do you think ? --[[User:D.j.a.y|D.j.a.y]] ([[User talk:D.j.a.y|talk]]) 11:30, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
** That's great! It's much simpler and makes more sense your way. Just a minor gramatical correction, "The key point is that a layer, inside it's own group, ''will only'' modify the data contained by all the layers and groups below it." [[User:GuruPilgrim|GuruPilgrim]] ([[User talk:GuruPilgrim|talk]]) 11:40, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
** Thank's for the grammatical review... ;-) i wan't to say ... be free to improve the {{l|Doc:Adding_Layers}} page with this new sentence. --[[User:D.j.a.y|D.j.a.y]] ([[User talk:D.j.a.y|talk]]) 11:52, 17 May 2014 (UTC)</strike>

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